Immortal Clinton
No, this is not some excerpt from the Highlander but rather a look at some of the comments and press surrounding the Rules and Bylaws committee meeting. Public tickets to observe the meeting have already been taken according to Stacie Paxton, a spokesman for the DNC. This is going to be good and bad for the party because whoever wins, one side is going to come out angry. I feel very sorry for the members of that committee at this moment, if they side with Senator Clinton and her “bus loads” of supporters then they risk alienating the youth, African-American and college educated voters. If they side with Senator Obama, than they risk losing Senator Clinton’s valuable base of white-working class voters, older people and Latinos. What’s that old saying again? “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.” I am the worst person when it comes to remembering such colorful phrases but I am sure you can all think of something appropriate to say at this moment. I wanted to look at the impending meeting from a different perspective and look at some of the comments on the published articles online. The first article is by Christi Parsons of the Baltimore Sun entitled: Clinton camp: DNC lawyers ‘incorrect’.
Crat3 writes:
It seems that Obama and his supporters are lacking in principles.
It is a simple matter for Obama to agree to the fundamental bedrock American, democratic principle to count every vote and be done with the controversy.
Obama’s wanting to disenfranchise FL and MI voters who want their votes to count is no “change to believe.” That is more the modus operandi of Obama as a ruthless, slick, sly, devious Chicago politician.
Another commenter TL sums up what I have found out with regards to the voters of MI and FL (Not Everyone Voted):
I have lots of relatives in FL and quite a few did NOT go vote since they KNEW it didn’t count. By conting them at all, Clinton is DISENFRANCHISING all those that did not vote KNOWING it wouldn’t count……but this is no different then her DISENFRANCHISING 9 caucus states in her popular vote count or all those in MI in her popular vote that would of voted for Sen Obama…Her FAKE, popular vote count says NOONE in MI voted for Sen Obama LOL OK……..And she already disenfranchised all those Harlem voters….Remember the ones where not a single vote was cast for Sen Obama? in Harlem???? LOL….enough of this bogus crap. Sen Clinton is OVER and thank goodness….As a registered Independent I will be soooooooooo glad to say BYE BYE Clintons…..AND Sen Clinton you may want to start worrying about your Senate seat, I will be personally helping ANYONE that plans to run aginst YOU
Maya Ayazi writes:
Guys, your comments are proof that we need a woman in the White House. You sound like you’re playing slot machines at Las Vegas. What a headache. We’re not playing games here. We’re talking about people’s votes. Why aren’t you bashing the stupid idiots who made the candidates sign pledge cards in order to run for president. What do you call that? The difference between Hillary and the other candidates, is that she understands that you can’t deny people a vote. She never took her name off the ballot in either Florida or Michigan. Barack Obama, on the other hand, was interested in playing Bridge. That’s why he pulled his name off the ballot in Michigan, and tried to do the same thing in Florida without success. Let’s get it clear, Hillary is the person on the right side on this issue.
There were rebuttals to this argument but Senator Clinton is right that every vote should be counted but rules exist for a reason and it was Senator Clinton’s people who created them. Senator Clinton may be morally right but the primary process was never about the people, but who played the best game, clearly that has been Senator Obama. My prediction for tomorrow is that there is an even split of the remaining delegates of Florida and Michigan between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton.
May 30 2008 09:24 pm | American Politics
May 30th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Crian, I’ve seen the video before. I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, but from what I’ve seen regarding his church, I don’t see much “Christianity” emitting from it. The sermons as of late sound more like hate speeches to me.
Regarding tomorrow, you may be right. They just might split the delegates, but that probably won’t make everyone happy. *sigh* I don’t see any way the Democrats are going to be able to clean this mess up to the satisfaction of everyone. Perhaps Super Delegates wasn’t a good idea in the first place. It seems to have backfired.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:49 am
Hey Gayle, I had actually never seen the video before until it appeared on Google one day. I know you don’t think Obama is muslim but some of the less educated people out there really do believe this which is unfair to the Senator.
I will admit, what we have seen from the media regarding Senator Obama’s church is not good and does sound like hate. Again though I think you and I would have to sit in their for a week to really determine what it is really like.
Super Delegates have made the whole situation complex but I am starting to think that liberals like complexity otherwise this primary process would not have carried on for so long. I just hope things come out for the better after today.
May 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
We’ll know before long, Crian, but personally I’m going to be very surprised if this is solved today. As I have posted, if they take it away from Clinton who could win the popular vote, there are going to be a lot of very angry Democrats who will feel disenfranchised. As I’m not a Democrat it truly doesn’t matter to me either way, except for the fact that I believe all votes should count. This thing about Florida and Michigan just doesn’t seem right.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I am really hoping it will be finished by this weekend and even keep checking Google news for some breakthrough but nothing yet and it is almost nearing sunday for me. The votes should count but in a way that does not disadvantage either candidate.
June 4th, 2008 at 12:42 am
The Clintons are finally done, done, done. It is all over for them and I, for one, could not be happier. The day of the vicious, say-anything-do-anything Hillary is over. Her fingertips have finally sunk beneath the surface of the quicksand — forever gone.
But not really. The “news” pundits are non-stop abuzz about her as VP. There, apparently, is no other topic to talk about other than that. She, on her campaign death bed, has managed to steal the story. The story is not that a black man will be nominated for a presidential race, not that a black man will be nominated for the first time in recorded history in any western or south American country. The celebration should be all about that. But no. Hillary is stealing the headlines.
Personally, I feel that Obama selecting her as VP would be a horrible and tragic decision. I do not give a shit about how many racist and feminazi votes she could bring to the ticket. The “Dream Ticket”, to me, is a Nightmare Ticket.
First, Barack is all about not doing business as usual, and if Hillary represents anything, it’s business as usual.
Second, it will be impossible to keep her damned ass out of the oval office. She’ll constantly be nosing her way in there, demanding this and demanding that. The office of the VP is one where you take orders and do what you’re told. Can anyone imagine Hillary taking that role? Not me. She will be a horror. When JFK was the president and LBJ was the VP, whenever Lyndon took an overseas trip, JFK sent along an overseer to keep a watch over him — to keep him in line. It will take much more than that, and I don’t think it’s possible — taking into account her domineering, bitch-like persona.
Third, you take Mr. Bill with you. There is nothing the Republicans want more than to run against the Clintons, and with Hillary on the ticket — that is their Dream Ticket. They will absolutely flay Hillary and, especially Bill. And Bill, particularly, is a great target to go after, especially after the Vanity Fair article referring to Bill’s campaign exploits around the country and his “skirt-chasing posse”. Jeeeeze. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.
Screw Hillary. Get someone, anyone, else.
June 4th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Incorrectly written link on last post — sorry. It’s http://www.cyan.baywords.com/
June 4th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Hey Cyan, I am listening to Senator Obama’s victory speech at the moment while I am writing this. I agree with you in part that Senator Clinton has stolen the headlines with her VP ploy but you have to admire the smarts of that woman, she has really put Senator Obama in a corner as far as VP picks go.
I am going to examine the Senator Clinton issue closer in the next few days to determine what the likely impact of her as VP will be. If you had a look at the exit polling for South Dakota, her supporters would favor Senator Obama more if she were on the ticket.
Now I have mentioned in previous posts that Senator Obama could win without Senator Clinton on the ticket but I guess it comes down to what will he the fallout amongst his own supporters if she is on there and what will be the fallout if she is not on there?
We will have to wait and see what happens before the end of this week.
June 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Hi Crian,
Yes, you’re absolutely right in saying that she would bring a lot to the ticket in terms of potential voters. This decision of the Obama campaign will be crucial and a good indicator future decision-making prowess. A very very tough call, indeed. I do still feel, though, that Barack ought to bight the bullet and not put her on the ticket.
The Republicans and just rubbing their hands in glee waiting for her to jump on the bandwagon. Their typical sleaze campaign will go after her AND Bill like pit bulls and cause serious damage.
June 4th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Hey Cyan
They republicans will be all over Senator Clinton, without a doubt and they would certain have enough ammo in the chamber but the question I would ask is perhaps they have not prepared for this at all so if she was the VP, maybe they would be more focused on Senator Obama?
The decision about the VP will be a good indicator, I totally agree but I we will have to wait and see what Senator Obama or his campaign says about the eventual candidate. The Senator was talking about Clinton last night, maybe that is a sign…